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NarcNobbler

Joined: 17 Feb 2007 Posts: 341
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: Talking in the 3rd Person. |
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I have re-run all the “Nice” memories of me and my XN over in my head after taking off the rose tinted glass’s, this took a while as we were friends years ago also and filtered those moments with what I have learned of the disorder from the board and stomped all over them in the harsh light of reality. But that’s old news.
That aside, what I mean by Talking in the 3rd Person, my XN would relate a story usually a nasty one but refer to it happening to an acquaintance of her’s.
Stories of her previous sexual exploits(early on in the r/s) when I told her I was willing to break up if this continued, she suddenly started relating stories where her friends were the protagonist’s. They all didn’t relate to a skanky plot, some were plain nasty, but I always thought the smugness in which she relayed them she was boasting in the 3rd person.
Another example in one of our last interactions when I would not take pity on her, she told me she’s going through, a tough time at the moment and trying to help a suicidal friend who’s girlfriend had left. Could I help her for his sake?.
That week I’m contacted by one of her discarded friends, lost of prying questions, I wouldn't answer ,but at the end, I was told, how could she have left you for Z,
Z being the name of the suicidal friend in her story, I had forgotten his name and not picked up on the connection. One thing, I had got some weird vibes about ,(long story and you’d think I was out their with the fairy’s) she also had a lesbian lover (Xn’s Bi by the way),so I told her friend this and she looked shocked ,she didn’t think I knew about her(I didn’t, but I did now, had to ask to prove I wasn’t going nuts). I’m not even counting her current boyfriend, who was in the mix at the same time also, sounds like a bad soap opera plot.
It was as if she had pulled a switch in my head and a myriad of little lights came on.
Lots of memories where my gut had just not felt right about the answers she had given me.
Ok deception, plain and simple you may say.
But when I went over these I realized she had dropped little clues, very cryptic one’s, throughout the relationship in conversations, of what she was and what she had and was up to. They say certain criminals leave clues behind not to be caught but because they feel superior to the police.
Just wondering if anyone can relate to this, is it an N thing? 3rd person / cryptic clues.
And the flip-side she would also recycle other peoples story’s, replacing herself as the main character.
P.S. I can laugh now, knowing she needed 3 people to replace little old me.
Then again was I the only one. Unlikely.
Narc. _________________ "You become what you Hate"
God loves a trier, but I can take a hint!
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nolongertrusting

Joined: 25 Feb 2007 Posts: 275
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:08 am Post subject: Re: Talking in the 3rd Person. |
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NarcNobbler, Never had the 3rd person experience. Just some truths with a poop load of lies.
The clues were cryptic, and because he was so flipping smart I didn't question anything.
nolonger
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NarcNobbler

Joined: 17 Feb 2007 Posts: 341
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: Talking in the 3rd Person. |
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Hi Nolongertrusting,
Thanks for the reply.
| nolongertrusting wrote: | Just some truths with a poop load of lies.
The clues were cryptic, and because he was so flipping smart I didn't question anything.
nolonger |
I know what you mean, easiest way to pass a lie is to wrap it in some truth.
Think the main thing with them is their confidence(arrogance) , they know everything. They may not change but they adapt and are fast learners when it suits them.
They say a lier need a good memory something XN just hadn't got hence our arguments.
Oh and he couldn't have been that smart, he lost you!
Call it what you like ,I do think their crap catches up with them in the end.
Oh something you may be interested in the euro dates are gone, meant to put this in other post.
http://www.mark-knopfler-news.co.uk/dates.html
I'm an old Thin lizzy fan by the way and they collaborated on kings call
How are you ?
Narc. _________________ "You become what you Hate"
God loves a trier, but I can take a hint!
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nolongertrusting

Joined: 25 Feb 2007 Posts: 275
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: Talking in the 3rd Person. |
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Narc, Their crap does catch up in the end. It always does. People start seeing through the bs and eventually get out. Its just too bad we didn't see the red flags in advance. For me, that's been the hardest part, how could I have been so dumb?
Arrogance, plenty of that.
Your and old Thin Lizzy fan? I noticed Mark isn't playing in the US.
I'm doing ok, I can't complain too much.
Nolonger
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disengaging

Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 1342
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Narc,
Can't say I identify with the talking in the 3rd party thing, but those cryptic clues? Oh yeah.
Long before I had any idea my husband's X was an N, well, we attempted to remain basically "civil" with her, and I honestly had no idea why she not only showed up at my husband's family function such as weddings, but would also insist on sitting with us--directing most of her conversation towards me. I thought it was weird, but figured she'd eventually go get a life of her own...
Oh, the things she'd say to me! They were just so "off"--but I was still pretty naive and it all just went right over my head. I was completely clueless--until the day my husband's grandfather dragged me downstairs on the pretext of wanting to show me some of his photography, and then told me how pissed off he was at my husband's X pulling her crap at HIS house--not only had he not invited her, he had told my husband's parents NOT to bring her, and they did it anyway. He then asked me why I was continuing to put up with her condenscending patronization and continuous insults, didn't I get it?
No! I really didn't! She always acted so nice and sweet, as if she honestly wanted us all to be "friends". I was so eager to "fit in" with my husband's family, and she was just so smooth and subtle that I never actually heard those demeaning insults behind her sugarcoated words. He had to point all the nuances and implications out before I finally "got it", and OH my GOD!
| Quote: | | They say certain criminals leave clues behind not to be caught but because they feel superior to the police. |
Yeah, well she sure had me fooled! Superiority? Well, I think the real reason I was slow on the uptake was because her thought processes are so completely alien to me that I couldn't even imagine of it. I didn't recognize her "cryptic clues" because I can't identify with the "evil intent" underlying the desire for that level of deceptive, I mean, how could someone actually WANT to be a "snake"?
It's so completely inconceivable that I think we tend to give the benefit of doubt--at least until the contradicting evidence is so overwhelming that it can no longer be ignored. Doesn't make us "inferior" to them. It's the very thing that separates decent human beings from the scum sucking Ns.
Hugs!
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NarcNobbler

Joined: 17 Feb 2007 Posts: 341
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: Talking in the 3rd Person. |
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| nolongertrusting wrote: |
Arrogance, plenty of that.
Your and old Thin Lizzy fan? I noticed Mark isn't playing in the US.
I'm doing ok, I can't complain too much.
Nolonger |
Scroll down the link the US dates on end.
Heres Mark and the lead singer and drummer of Thin Lizzy.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9j5fnb-T-QI
This is the band way back (I was knee high to a grasshopper when i seen their last tour.)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=oMsCpp092z8&feature=related
Hi Dis!
| disengaging wrote: | He then asked me why I was continuing to put up with her condenscending patronization and continuous insults, didn't I get it?
No! I really didn't!
It's so completely inconceivable that I think we tend to give the benefit of doubt--at least until the contradicting evidence is so overwhelming that it can no longer be ignored. Doesn't make us "inferior" to them. It's the very thing that separates decent human beings from the scum sucking Ns. |
Yep XN used cloaked insults and all of the above, she still tried it last time i spoke to her , I have firm re-enforced boundaries and can spot it a mile off and its fabulous to be away from it.
until the contradicting evidence is so overwhelming
Thats when they come out with can we for get the past and be friends and move forward they tell you they've changed. But if you look closely you see the same old N in their grinning looking back at you.
Take care.
Narc. _________________ "You become what you Hate"
God loves a trier, but I can take a hint!
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nolongertrusting

Joined: 25 Feb 2007 Posts: 275
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:41 am Post subject: Re: Talking in the 3rd Person. |
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Narc, you made my day!!!
Narc, my x-husband used to sound and lights in his younger days. I won't go into details because he wasn't a P.
One time he me backstage. Unreal, what it takes to set up a concert. I mean concert. Not an outdoor concert. BUT CONCERTS!! No, he wasn't a roadie either. He was highter up on the food chain than a roadie. He was a master trouble shooter. When things didn't hook up, he was always able to figure out what when to what. All the chords and electrical. You woundn't think about it but there really is a skill involved with all of that.
This brought back memory lane for me. Thank you Narc.
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NarcNobbler

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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:50 am Post subject: |
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Glad you enjoyed.
Sorry for the delay my nuts resurfaced, I'm ignoring.
Narc. _________________ "You become what you Hate"
God loves a trier, but I can take a hint!
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