Psychopath and Narcissist Survivors Support Group

lynn1234 · member Joined: 14 Aug 2007 Posts: 769

I went to the Dr. today.. I have been having some health issues and the Dr.s are trying to narrow it down to a certain disease. It could be endocrine so I have to wait and see.. I devulged to my Dr. about my mothers NPD only getting into a simple explination... and a few short childhood examples of abuse because I have some symptoms that he thought might be anxiety related.. although most likely endocrine... I thought telling him about my mothers NPD might help him come up with an accurate diagnosis but I still need further tests...
Anyway. when it came to NPD he had no knowledge of it.. I tried to explain she is kind of like a sociopath and a child abuser and my whole life has been stressful but not too stressful in the last 6months.. Stress was worse last summer due to discovery of NPD... anyway... I was amazed at his lack of knowledge of NPD and it pisses me off that there is such a lack of knowledge or understanding of this personality disorder to the general public and physicians... I didn't feel like educating my Dr...
When I told him about my mothers drug abuse (oxcodone) I think he could finally understand she was a mental case but he should have had some knowledge of NPD... I know he is not a psychiatrist but if they know about schizophrenia or Bipolar than they also need to know about NPD..
Just my little rant and venting.... Confused

Seachelle · Moderator Joined: 22 Apr 2008 Posts: 102

You're right, Lynn1234, many doctors don't know enough about this disease. Two years ago when my NM was in the hospital I was told she was a paranoid schizophrenic with delusions. That could be true too. She does have delusions--example she will claim--and honestly believes--that Middle Eastern women come and genuflect in front of her house. There are no Middle Eastern people living in or near her town.

I wasn't surprised that your NM abuses oxy. Perhaps many N's do? My mother has abused prescription drugs all her life. My husband and I once followed her to 7 different doctors and 7 different pharmacies in one day back in 1969. Times were different and docs back then gave out vallium like candy.

Trouble was, she was also a heavy drinker. She claims she doesn't drink now but I'm surprised her liver lasted this long! Anyway, she now abuses Vicodin and has a doctor who gives her all that she wants. A year or so ago she bragged to me that he gives her 380 Vicodin per month--he prescribes enough per day to write for that much. Sad

She also has other drugs--ambien, xanax, etc. Even morphine from time to time, and she will combine them.

Good luck with your health problems. Smile

bubblers · member Joined: 31 Dec 2007 Posts: 37

Hey Lynn1234, I thought I might give my personal view on your Dr. not being informed on Narcissism. What Dr's do is, diagnose and prescribe drugs and or surgery, yes, Bi-Polar and schizophrenia are mental disorders, but they are also treated with drugs and narcissism is not. heck i didn't even know about Narcissism until a yr ago and it was right in front of my face for 20 yrs. An actual psych dr. would know, but then again an N would never see one because there is nothing wrong with them. ( In their eyes.) Just a thought... Bubblers

thayilflies · member Joined: 16 Feb 2007 Posts: 520

"Hey Lynn1234, I thought I might give my personal view on your Dr. not being informed on Narcissism. What Dr's do is, diagnose and prescribe drugs and or surgery, yes, Bi-Polar and schizophrenia are mental disorders, but they are also treated with drugs and narcissism is not. heck i didn't even know about Narcissism until a yr ago and it was right in front of my face for 20 yrs. An actual psych dr. would know, but then again an N would never see one because there is nothing wrong with them. ( In their eyes.) Just a thought... Bubblers"

I agree. Narcissism is difficult to put in a box, indeed it is even difficult to discern between narcissistic behaviour and a PD and as Bubblers points out it is untreatable. Classifying it is almost impossible. I even doubt if there is strictly a "NPD", I prefer to think of an N-scale. Whatever you call it matters not, the reality is that when people become delusional they lose the ability to empathise and love. The result of being subjected to no love as children we all know: hell on Earth. It is unfortunate and frustrating that people just don't understand! I know war veterans who suffer PTSD have a similar frustration: people just don't understand the pain!

Your best bet for information and understanding is right here. Doctors are good for prescriptions and technical issues. From my experience, for issues of child abuse and spiritual healing collectivities (such as this group) and literature have proven far more useful.

I agree with you though and I think it is a valid rant. Doctors and mental health professionals are usually "trained professionals." "Trained professionals" will never understand child abuse in the way that the abused child will understand it. My advice is put your faith in the group here and yourself and explore the literature. To reiterate, I agree - it is extremely frustrating that health professionals don't understand the phenomenon of child abuse but so be it.

ricochet echoes · member Joined: 20 Jun 2007 Posts: 37 Location: Europe

Hi

When I discovered about NPD is when I spoke to my NM's district psychiatric nurse/carer at that time, she was the one who told me about the diagnosis of NPD and that the shrink who dealt with my mother (she takes frequent breakdowns - usually when she cannot blame her unsavory behavior on anyone else with ease and gets caught-out without an explanation which is plausable at that moment!!).

From what I gather in UK, NPD is not treatable. They do not even try to treat it unless someone iinsists that the person is dangerous and needs to be taken forcibly out of society if it can be can proven that they are indeed a dangerous or unreasonable threat to society or anyone in particular.

Tbe only proffessional advice given to me was N.C. (stay away from them) for my own safety and life. So go figure as it is really is not that easy and it does not fix the family situation which has always been pretty much dire in my case as I am sure we all share this to some point.

its all very well for folk to say NC pleeeeze - but it is easier said than done! The only parents we have ever known are ''them''. We have a history no matter whether we acknowledege the problem or not and some of us actually decide on NLC (negotiable limted conact).

Sad as it goes, no matter how much the wiser we become, we tend to hover somewhere in their lives on the fringe.

I totally agree that doctors should know more and there should be more research done about this condition. I think that children should be protected from this and if the condition is not recognised in the way that it ought to be - then the abuse will continue unchecked.

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lynn1234 · member Joined: 14 Aug 2007 Posts: 769

Seachelle... I know how you feel having an NM addicted to prescription drugs. My NM used to abuse Vicoden too and Percocett.. now those weren't strong enough for her anymore so the next step was oxy.. I don't think there is anything stronger than oxy or heroin and I often fear it's going to be the death or her.. It's sad to see them self-distruct.. My NM also takes xanax.. pops it for the slightest stress in life...like in traffic.. etc..
What pisses me off is that she used to give my sister Vicoden for a headache and I think my NM was intentionally trying to get her hooked on drugs also... I don't mind as much if my NM hurts me but when she hurts my sister it is unforgivable... I think my little sister has a drug problem but I dont know for sure to what extent.. i know she is smoking pot and drinking frequently but wonder if she is also doing other drugs or getting anything from my twisted NM...

Bubblers..you made a good point.. sometimes I forget that health care is a buisness. My NM has given Dr.s lots of buisness especially the ones giving her oxy and xanax like they are handing our candy.. I am sure they know something is mentally wrong with her. but may not know the term for it.. lier is one but I guess that isn't a diagnosis... LOL

Thay.. i agree with you.. This forum has been the best place to look to for info..

Richochet echoes.. I wonder if your wise nurse had a family member with NPD.. I think she gave good advice and was knowledgeable.. I can't say what is good for everyone.. but NC has been the best thing for me.. It took time for me to do.. But knowing that there is no bond from my NM towards me makes me believe I could trust a stranger more than her.. I think that N's are dangerous too.. I posted a topic of discussion on that.. Maybe we can talk about this further....

TruthSeeker2 · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:28 am Post subject:

Hi, Everyone, Wink

This is a topic that needs attention for sure. I found the same problem wherever I went when I started to mention NPD to doctors, counselors and others. They knew little or nothing at all about it, and that's such a shame because I think NPD is a plague on society and is out there like an epidemic. Now that I know about NPD and that I have an NM from self-diagnosis (lifetime search), I'm finding it to be pervasive and frequent. When I started to look for a therapist recently, one of the two absolutely necessary criteria for a therapist that would do me any good is that she be NPD literate. I'm zeroing in on a couple now and will have a choice to make. Confused

Yes, I do believe more education and training on personality disorders like NPD should be given. And Thay, you're correct about doctors being trained to give pills or surgery, so they're not on top of things like NPD which is almost untreatable. If a N has bipolar, depression, OCD, paranoia, etc. there are drugs to calm that. My NM is in a nursing home now and is being given Lexapro and Abilify which calm her but do not address the NPD. She's still a self-absorbed, abusive and evil bitch for whom nothing is ever good enough. NPD is in some netherworld of the health care industry, but I do think as more survivors like us who are out there come forward with it, whether because of being in the process of seeking help for themselves or to be activists for it, NPD will get the attention it deserves. And who knows? Maybe there will be a pill for it one day if they can find the biological reason for it the way they've done with so many other mental illnesses. Problem is, though, that the N's don't seek treatment because of the resistance to admitting their problems and their inability to change. Sad

Wouldn't it be nice if we could go to a doctor and the doctor didn't need an explanation from us? I tell you, it was only via the Internet search and groups like this one that I was put on the right track about NPD and "diagnose" my NM. Check out Dr. Karyl McBride's site and her NPD survey. Again, that's how I found out. Smile

There are many causes of child abuse that society is aware of and goes after these days, but NPD isn't one of them. One of the therapists I'm checking out told me that had there been such knowledge during my growing up years, I could have reported her and been removed from the home. Never knew about such things back then.

lynn1234, your "rant" isn't a rant. It's valid, and I agree with it. Smile

Thay, I agree that Internet sites like this are most probably at this time in history the best places to get help, understanding and information. However, let's not forget finding a good NPD literate therapist, too. They are out there, if one looks long and hard enough. Will let you know when I find mine.

richochet echoes, well, it's pretty much the same here in the USA concerning NPD. Only if the person's a danger, etc. and it's very untreatable. When I told the psychiatrists at the crisis team center about my NM and NPD, they never addressed it when they came over for a quick evaluation. The idiots said she's competent and didn't need to be taken to the hospital for an in-depth evaluation!! We all thought they're missing a screw somewhere. I never heard of NLC (negotiable limited contact), thanks. Not interested in that for my case, though.

Keep up the good fight. Very Happy

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wlw35 · member Joined: 09 Mar 2007 Posts: 374

My experience, most "trained professionals" don't want to deal with personality disorders as a whole, they prefer to treat the symptoms of mental illness, which gets back to the harming self/others, etc.. it seems when the person is out of control, then an intervention takes place or maybe not, sometimes the N is left alone to continue their abuse of drugs persay, it's almost easier than confronting an N, right? I mean, we have chosen NC, imagine professionals having to deal with them, it's got to be tough. None of this is easy to swallow, many of us have been subject to the wrath of our NPs which has left us dealing with our own mental health issues and struggles, this site has been invaluable to me, my family and my journey to finally get the help and support needed for so many years. I'm so glad to have you all!!!

ricochet echoes · member Joined: 20 Jun 2007 Posts: 37 Location: Europe

lynn1234 said

TruthSeeker2 · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:04 pm Post subject:

Hello, Everyone and ricochet echoes, Wink

ricochet echoes writes:

I do know what you mean about the treatment, doctors only worry about the patient's ability to cope and whether they will hurt anyone in the psychotic sense... NPD seems to fall into a category where if the patient can function, seemingly cause no big harm to society, hold down a job or some socially acceptable traits then that is enough for them. They tend not to go into NPD itself but skirt around how the patient functions in general. It IS wrong to have this attitude and they DO 'do harm' "to their dependents and close relatives and the SHOULD NOT be allowed to have children or have any influence over developing young minds. People like us should campaign and make society/mental health board aware of how dangerous their dysfunction is and can be in my opinion and if we do not act then it does go on and complacency prevails by the health officials.

NLC is something I made up (LOL) sorry, it is my version of how I conduct my contact with my NM - I keep it very limited, we last saw each other in 2005, and before that 2004 and before that 2002 and so on...- my NLC is mainly by telephone.

Everyone has to do what they feel is personally necessary to live and cope with Nparents. There have been times in my life where I have been NC and it certainly keeps the NPD demons away.
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Paragraph #1: I so totally agree with you. NPD is treated like some "orphan disease" in the USA in the mental health field. That means it is considered rare. Because it's considered rare, it gets little attention. I'm aware there have been successful campaigns to get certain "orphan diseases" on the map, and NPD should be one of them. It is NOT so rare at all. It is hidden, that's all. Safeguards for the children and relatives of these monsters need to be set up by society. They do the most insidious harm, indeed, under the radar of the health industry. I believe they shouldn't be allowed to have children and if they do, those children should be taken away from them and either put with a sane relative or be adopted out with the proviso of permanent NC. NP's create more N's that grow up to ruin more children and have more N's, and the cycle goes on. And the children like we who don't turn into N's are scarred for life. I know adoptees often like to find their birth parents but in cases of NPD, it should not be allowed since seeking out a NP will bring nothing but trouble into the child's life. The NP shouldn't be allowed to find the child, either, and the child should be made aware, told, when searching why he/she was taken out of the birth home so he/she will understand why searching any further is in his/her best interest. Better yet, the adoptive parents should have that information so they can inform the child when that child is old enough to understand. I know in a free society, this is a very hard thing to accomplish and would meet with a lot of resistance. But these people have no consciences and can be psychopathic in the worst cases, so I say it is necessary. I'm finding out only now how pervasive the damage they do is across the board, not just in my case. The problem is a lifetime sentence of Hell on earth for us, and there are worse cases than mine. The thing is, how does one avoid abuses in the system of these NPD protections once they're in place? Question

By that I mean children who don't like their parents for whatever reasons can report them for NPD when that's not the case. Kids could threaten their parents with reporting them for NPD when all the parents are trying to do is teach the kids right from wrong and discipline them. As it is, the State is getting more power over parents all the time and is becoming a Nanny State (Socialistic). It could turn into a Nazi Gestapo type police state thing. No one wants that. The foster care system here is rife with abuse, so it's kind of taking a big chance whether or not they'd be placed in a good home. I would love to get together with a whole host of survivors like we are and do an awareness campaign at the very least, but I really don't know how to. Do you? Do any of you out there? Question

I have never been an activist about anything. About my NM, I just briefly spoke with a hospital social worker who mentioned "a little dementia" and that the bitch is in physical therapy. I told her it's a lot worse than "a little dementia" and spoke of NPD, bipolar, depression and all the other crap she has. She had to get off the phone because she was with another family and said she would call me back. I didn't get the feeling she was "hearing" me and who knows if she'll really call me back. Rolling Eyes

Paragraph #2: Thanks for further explanation of what NLC is and that you invented the term. I suppose a lot of us out there do NLC in varying degrees until they can't stand it any longer and eventually do complete NC. Keep in mind I didn't know about NPD until a couple of months ago when I went complete NC. Before that, I didn't see my parents for almost five years during my first marriage (1966-1971). Then I had to go back home to them since I couldn't support myself. The next time I did it was periodically and partially during my second marriage (1972-1982). I really tried to have a relationship and believe NM was looking out for my best interest. I bent over backwards, apologized for not realizing they were trying to protect me from going into bad marriage situations and do believe to this day their motives on that score were above board. They were right. What can I say? Then with my present marriage, I had no trouble with them accepting my husband, because they knew a good thing when they saw it. My NM trusts him more than she trusts me, if you can believe that. I told you that it's he who does the heavy lifting with her and who has a soothing way with her. And, the fact is she needs him, so she's not going to jeopardize that. I tried for many years to "honor" her since I accepted the Lord in 1979. I thought the Lord would want me to bow my head, go there, speak on the phone, take my beatings, give her a chance and show her the way. I thought by doing this He was trying to make me stronger to withstand the onslaughts. Not necessarily so. The Lord doesn't want His people to submit to abuse, sinful and evil behavior that puts us in danger. There is no "honor" in that. All it really did was confuse me, terrorize me, make me hate her all the more and in no uncertain terms wish her dead. God, how I tried SO hard for many years to not wish her dead! Exclamation

I'd just about reached my limit when I found out about NPD, as I had made up my mind to never see her again just shortly before that watershed event. When I found out about NPD, I realized I had done the right thing, and my husband supported me. He has willingly been my buffer against her. When she would ask for me, he would tell her I was sick and traumatized, and she still doesn't have a clue why. So for me, total NC is the way to go, and it is a tremendous relief even though it doesn't solve the problem that she's still in our lives requiring my husband's time and attention, that we're frequently on the phone or receiving calls from social workers and other health care people concerning her, and her causing complications because she's a saboteur and is holding on to the money. He also has to go to the house to repair and keep it up and has to see her to have her pay bills and sign checks. As long as she's alive, she's a big problem. Rolling Eyes

You say, ricochet echoes, you still have contact by phone. Well, all I can say is watch out for that, because NP's can still use the phone and e-mails as tools for their abuse. My cyberfriend who moved several states away from them and who informed me about NPD still keeps in contact by phone and mails mostly to speak with her father who isn't a NF but who is her NM's mouthpiece and enabler, but it causes her no end of problems. Therefore, I question the wisdom of it especially since she has a NH and a ND as well. It's just too much. I am so, so relieved I no longer have to call her every Thursday, as we had arranged. How is the LNC working out for you?

Paragraph #3: Yes, each case has its nuances and differences, so people have to judge for themselves what is best in their own cases. You said that you've done complete NC before and that it certainly does keep the NPD demons away. Then why don't you just do it once and for all if NLC is still causing you stress and misery? Question

Has anything really changed in your relationship with your NP after all these attempts at various forms of NC? Has your NP even got a clue as to why you have to do NC or NLC? Does he/she even care? Why prolong your agony? When I finally realized nothing was ever going to change and that all I was doing was subjecting myself to unending abuse, I'd had it and went NC. Rolling Eyes

Sorry this posting is so long and hope readers don't mind, but I had a lot to say here in response to ricochet echoes. Btw, is there a special meaning to your user name, ricochet echoes, because it's an interesting user name? Question

Keep up the good fight. Very Happy

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TruthSeeker2 · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject:

Hi, Everyone, Wink

I want to report this to you all while it is still fresh in my mind and while I'm seething with it. We're speaking here of of how doctors and other health care professionals need to be educated about NPD and to take it seriously when we tell them. If this wasn't a big problem, we wouldn't be talking about it here, and we wouldn't be so frustrated every time we have to give a social worker or someone else information about our NP's. Rolling Eyes

Here it is: Actually got the return call today from a social worker I mentioned in my last posting who's at the nursing home NM's in next to the hospital. She's in charge of discharge, so she's trying to put together the facts about whether or not she can make what they call a "safe discharge". Well, her doctor knows there can't be a safe discharge. This social worker had already been brought up to date about a lot of the events that have happened which led to NM's being in the nursing home. I went over some of that just to prove the veracity of what's been going on. I told her about my history with NM, our relationship and, of course, the NPD and how I only recently found out about it after a lifetime of searching. She said she has heard of NPD. I said why isn't the NPD being addressed when I've been trying to get it out there to these people? She would never have mentioned NPD to me had I not brought it to her attention. All she told me was the bitch has "some dementia". I said she must be kidding if that's all they think is wrong with her. I said she had better listen to me well, pay attention and make sure the doctor and the psychiatrist look for NPD when they finally diagnose NM, because if they miss that, they've missed the root, the mother lode, the essence of what's wrong with her. I told the social worker about my history of lifetime abuse, the family dynamic I've shared here, why she doesn't get close to anyone in order to hide the problem but that everyone now knows. This social worker did know about how my NM threw everyone out of the house. I was absolutely livid and it all came out. I pleaded with her to hear the anger and pain in my voice, the reality of the damage done. I told her about being on NC. I told her how I need new meds and am seeking a counselor. I told her everything I could think of - even that although I wished her dead I would never do anything to make it happen, that before God and man I would do what I had to do and wasn't looking for trouble. I told her NM has the money to pay to be in a facility although I hoped to God she wouldn't live long enough to eat it all up. I told her everything about the viciousness, cruelty, deception, lies, manipulation, power and control, the total lack of love and care emotionally, how they will never admit to anything, how I can't work and hold a job because of her. I don't know if I said too much, really, but I just had to get it across to her just how bad this situation is with the NPD. I kept asking if she understands, if I'm making it clear, will she tell the doctors, does she believe me and take me seriously. She said she would tell them, but I won't believe that until I see it done. According to this social worker when she spoke with NM, NM didn't know much about me and wasn't even able to give her my address. She thought I lived in New Jersey! I live on Long Island, New York. NM is really out to lunch. I don't know if I'm actually fading from her memory, which she's losing, anyway, or if it was just another NM ploy to throw the social worker off the scent about me, put a wrench in the works and distance herself emotionally from me. Either way, NM lies and never gives a straight answer. Oh, and when I asked her how much she knows about NPD, all she said is what most people say, that it means all the person can think about is themselves, the me, myself and I thing. I said to her that's all she knew? Well, then sit down and get a lesson in one of the worst mental illnesses there is and then I let loose with it. The ignorance is indeed astounding! I'm at my wit's end with this and just wish the bitch would die already at age 88 so it would all just go away. Mad

Don't remember who said this or in what topic it was said, but I do agree that these monsters do know on some level that what they're doing is wrong and that people can't stand them. If they didn't, they wouldn't try so hard to obfuscate (confuse), deny, throw people off the scent, lie and hide it. Twisted Evil

Keep up the good fight, because, folks, that's exactly what it is on every level. Sad

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zanderman1 · member Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 474

I think TruthSeeker brings up an interesting point where she says NPD is a fairly common disorder but it is considered rare. The professionals consider it rare b/c it is rarely diagnosed.
I think it is rarely diagnosed for 2 main reasons, the first being that people with PDs -- and especially NPDs -- don't seek help. I read somewhere that psychotic and neurotic people drive themselves crazy, while people with personality disorders drive other people crazy. And why would someone who is perfectly flawless in every way seek psychiatric help? It's US, the people who deal with Ns, who seek help.
The second big reason (which has already been brought up, but not in such a cynical, paranoid way as I'm about to) is that there's no magic pill for it, no way (as yet) for the big pharmaceutical corporations to make obscene profits off NPD by peddling a new product. Although Ns like lynn's NM keep the painkiller business brisk, and heaven knows we ACONs have consumed copious carloads of valium & prozac.

TruthSeeker2 · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:29 am Post subject:

Oh, Zanderman, how right you are in everything you said here. I couldn't have put it better. Don't worry about sounding a bit cynical, because we've all been through the mill with NPD and its complications. We understand the frustration of always coming up against a wall regarding NPD. Thanks for the endorsement! Wink

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ricochet echoes · member Joined: 20 Jun 2007 Posts: 37 Location: Europe

Hi Again,

I really cannot see what the proffessionals can do anyway about some kind of wonder drug for NPD. A frontal lobotomy or sedation into a vegetable state would be the only road to take.
Unlike phsycotic illnesses this is a disorder. Does anyone know how they normally treat disorders?

I can see why the shrinks etc do not have an answer for NPD - they cannot be fixed by counselling - my NM goes to see a shrink because they know she needs help but she lies to him about the sources of her illness and says it is my sister and I who caused it, and before that she says it was my dad (he died 27 years ago). Then before that it was her dad's fault and her childhood. She says everything was fine until her mother died when she was 8 yrs old. From what I gather her siblings said that she was an over dramatic and spoiled child before that period. So basically, do shrinks try to fix her problems based on the lies or can they tell its all fabricated and know she has NPD but just let her rattle on until the session is over, then give her a new prescription of pills and send her home to think up some new attrocities?! either way - they do not fix her -ever.

I really cannot think what could be done about them except lock them away, medicate them to the point of cabbage or make them simple with surgery.
Maybe, dump all NPDs on a remote, empty part of the world in specially build towns, sterilize all the young ones and let them have their own society where they can all fight it out amongs themselves, gee! it woudl be chaos. LOL they'd all be trying to outdo each other. Still it would be a taste of their own medicine!

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lynn1234 · member Joined: 14 Aug 2007 Posts: 769

Truthseeker.. I think you are right that NPD is out there like an epidemic but that it is a hidden disease.. Dr.s and nurses aren't educated enough on it probably since nobody wants to openly talk about it.. Hopefully this is the last mental illness to get attention..I remember in the 80's it seemed like people were starting to openly discuss mental illnesses which before was considered an embarassment and a private family problem.. I suppose NPD hopefully in the future will also start to get some attention... Hopefully in our lifetime.. LOL
I think you are right though that more people have it than what the statistics say.. My close friends mom was NPD and bipolar and just the other day someone started discussing his brother with me telling me all the things that clicked and sounded like NPD...manipulation, vindictive, unable to give or recive love, vengeful, slanderous.. I thought hmmmm.. NPD???
I am a R.N and had to do psychiatric training at a psych hospital and there was little to NO discussion on NPD while I was very trained to recognize Bipolar and Schizophrenia.. Maybe NPD's don't end up in the Psych ward as often because they are higher functioning.. hold jobs etc..
They are probably more in the criminal system for commiting crimes.. forgery...theft,, ??? What do you guys think? Think they end up in Jails more often than in Psych hospitals and in Dr.s offices unless ofcorse to lie and get Narcotics???
My NM had several DUI's and spent some time in jail for that.. Not to say that everyone with a DUI is an N.. but.. not surpriseing that my NM spent some time in Jail...