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Mom1983 · Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 26 Location: California USA

It was DIL's journal apparently and Pson tore out her pages and began his.

Begin journal:

"CHAOS UNLEASHED 1/11/07 CHAOS UNLEASHED

Hi, you were _______(DIL's) book and now your mine. You might be in the wrong hands. First journal here, but I am serious need of a release - or there could be some DEAD MOTHERF***s. Humanity by instinct, is never outside himself on his inner condition - then takes in account of other variables. SELFISH! What do I get in return, how does this benefit me. An understanding in this came at a very early $. What can I use from it. Only this. That inner ability to sense the essence from others - undeniable truth. You know when a douch lies to you without seeking the truth...eyes are a window to the ongoing soul.

Eventually they can & will tell you half the time a more accurate story"

End Journal.

He was arrested 2/2/07. I don't know why he stopped writing. But frankly this freaks me out a whole lot! Also, please excuse the profanity and the spelling etc. I copied it verbatim.

Mom

want_to_learn · Joined: 20 Feb 2007 Posts: 33 Location: Scotland, UK

hi mom.this is twink from the old board.sorry you are having such a hard time just now. I had to change my name cos I couldn't get on with the old one....something to do with the password. hugs.

lemondroppr · Joined: 10 Feb 2007 Posts: 1422

Hi Mom:

Would you like me to move this down to the Dr's section?

Let me know.

Echo · Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:21 pm Post subject:

Hi Mom, Is this your sons letter? How old is he? I agree with you thats a strange journal entry. Funny how he gives out such angry vibes whilst appearing to be calm and laid back about it - sounds like the Self is about to implode and he's trying to keep the false image together. trying to soothe himself maybe?

Its as if he is writing to himself in code, a kind of secret language that only he is party to. Almost like he's observing himself doing it - and admiring his intellectual ability from an outside view point. A psychopath would have that ability - thats what happens with a fractured personality - so it could be that showing and youre picking up on it?

I dont know, this is only gut reaction. My husband and I have a similar kind of thing here, written by his P brother. Its written directly to my H, and its the wierdest letter I have ever seen. Ive spent hours pouring over it - you can actually feel the psychopathy leering out of the pages.

I can understand you being freaked by it - I am by ours too - it kind of sits there "pulsing" at me, and I have to put it in another room(its out quite often because we have a court case going against him).

Whats your gut feeling on this?
Echo.

Mom1983 · Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 26 Location: California USA

Well Hi there Twink! Too bad you had to loose your name. I loved it!

Mom1983 · Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 26 Location: California USA

Lemon, Yea! Thank you. Doh, I should have put it there in the first place. Sorry about that.

Echo, He's 23. It scares me. It's like when he beat up DIL and chased me around with a knife...when I read it, I see those crazy eyes and I'm scared.

He's in jail for that now and goes again to court on the 28th for a parole violation on a drug charge.

I don't know whats the best for their babies. When he gets out should I let him have contact with the little ones or not? I wish with all my heart I knew what was best for them. DIL called when she got out of jail and asked if she could see them. I said yes that we could go to a local park and play with them. I can't have her here because she's a thief too.

Please God, help me to do what's right for the kids...
Mom

pinkybubbles · Guest

mon- do you have full custody of these kids?

can you get legal advice on whether mum and dad should have contact with kids? seems to be a difficult situation to be in .

Mom1983 · Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 26 Location: California USA

Hi Pinky! My H and I are the legal guardians of the kids. Their ages are 3 & 1.

Legally, my atty. tells me that it's up to us. I definitely won't let either one of them see them if they are violent or on meth.

But even when they are acting normally, that can change in an instant. All I want is what's best for them. I can take it either way. I just wish I knew a psychologist who could guide me.

Mom

pinkybubbles · Guest

if the parents request visitation rights where do you stand?

if they can not do this because the care has been turned over to you then i would be strict and refuse contact- or suggest they supply you with a recent medical check stating they are off drugs- be strong for the kids- keep a diary of when they ask to see the kids or try to make any form of contact ie on phone bday cards etc- so the kids can not blame you when older that you held them away from their parents,

you sound like you are doing a grand job XXXX

Mom1983 · Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 26 Location: California USA

Yea, I've thought of that too. Making a journal of calls/ contact. Right now they are both worthless and neither could get it together enough to petition for visitation.

I just don't know the kind of damage that not seeing their parents at all might do to them. Parents are so very important. To know that their parents love them. But just can't be with them right now.

My Mom was my best friend. No one could ever replace her. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know!

Echo · Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 7:37 pm Post subject:

Hi Mom, This is a really tough dilemma. Since youre their legal guardians, you have full parental rights now?

Was there documented neglect/abuse done to the kids before this happened to your son and DIL?

Obviously you are talking about supervised access? So would this take place in your home?

(Sorry for the list like way of this, Im thinking as Im writing)

Child protection laws always work on whats best for the child. Everything revolves around that. Used to be that contact with the parents was deemed best - however, thats determined by the levels of abuse aimed at them by the parents in the first place. Each case will be assessed carefully.

If a child is treated inconsistently by parents,( you know, "I love you" one minute, "who are you" the next) it leads to feelings of abandonment and insecure attachment- the one year old should be fine right now, theyre very young and will form attachments to you. The three year old will just be becoming aware of his/her environment and if they have been in scary environments, may be showing signs of "acting out". Two to three is a really important age in childhood. Thats when the childs view of the world kicks in - its where they decide the world is a good loving place, or a scary monster place, depending on what their experiences are.

How are the children around their parents - do they show any signs of distress, clinginess, attention-seeking? Does the little one cry alot, or be very still and quiet at all?

How are the parents with the children?

Are they very attached to you? What do they do when they are with you and then they see their parents?

Those kids need stability above all in this traumatic time for them - theyve got that with you and your H.

If you allow supervised access in your home - would you be safe? Would your son and DIL stick to those agreements?

Boy, my heart goes out to you here - this is very tough on you. Echo.

pinkybubbles · Guest

samvaknin · Site Admin Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 2289

Hi,

You wrote to me but i am not sure how I can help.

Why don't you post a specific question in my Ask Vaknin forum on this board? I would be happy to respond speedily.

Take care.

Sam

PS - click on these links:

Violent narcissists

http://samvak.tripod.com/9.html

Psychotic narcissists

http://samvak.tripod.com/journal91.html

http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders42.html

NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) and AsPD (Antisocial Personality
Disorder)

http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders16.html

http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders15.html

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/faq82.html

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/faq45.html

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/faq57.html

http://open-site.org/Health/Conditions_and_Diseases/Psychiatric_Disorders/Personality/Antisocial/

Narcissism on Crime TV

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/gerald_stano/4.html?sect=2

Crime and Terrorism

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/serialkillers.html (PopMatters.com)

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/12.html (The Idler)