Psychopath and Narcissist Survivors Support Group

Is it bugging anyone else?
I'm noticing a HUGE increase in the adulation and publication etc of all these vampire shows/books/movies etc.

Out of interest I've read/watched a tiny bit of each new vampire "hit" thing and it's worrying me.

Each time, the vampire explains how dangerous he is and how he can kill the 'heroine' but she just wants more of him. More of his abuse, pushiness, danger.
She wants to be killed by him, loved by him.
The vampires say they love the women they want to kill.
The young women in these stories love the men who can harm them the most.
WTF?????
And all the young girls and boys eat this crap up!
The vampires ARE sociopath characters. And they are GLAMORIZED!
Anyone else worried about this enormous trend???

I know what you mean.
I have to tell you, my daughter is a psychology major, and in one of her classes, they studied works of Disney!! They saw film clips of Disney cartoons, and it is funny how the leading female characters bat long eyelashes, have waists the size of a pencil, and talk in little airy voices. This I can deal with, but they showed Beauty & the Beast, pointing out how the Beast was ugly, kidnapped the Beauty's father, abused the servants, etc., etc, and just was a real a$$. Yet in the end, she married him because he "totally changed". Well, you get the picture. Many movies just glamourize being with a terrible person, etc.

Aquarius, that's really interesting. Guess you and your daughter will have a great insight into how pop culture effects us so much!
(Sad now, 'cause I grew up loving Disney)
I can really see now, how those "everything has a happy ending if we all just love eachother" fairytales mess with our heads. And makes it almost impossible to explain to others how the N's and P's really are.
They are not a sitcom or a movie with a happy ending.
Hansel and Gretal
Little Red Riding Hood
Now, those are two true stories of the condition of N's and P's in real life!
They are the stories (and those like them), that I usually pull out in my explanation of what a Psychopath and Narcissist are. That's when some folk start to get it, and they get a light in their eyes, and go "ohhhhh".

Stories are powerful.
I have friends with children who will not read them the scary fairy stories. But I tell them they are written to help children learn the truth about some humans and how we must be careful.
I wish for more stories like that in pop culture in modern times.
Seems the bad guys are not to be run away from anymore. They are to be embraced, loved and even sacrificed for.
Scary.

There's plenty of the love him no matter what & everything will be ok. Did you see that movie from a few years ago called "As Good As It Gets"? Jack Nicholson plays the part of a guy with a complulsive disorder-also, he was a major ass-treating his costar like hammered crap. He does all kinds of things to hurt the woman, but of course in the end, she just forgives him, ignores the fact that he's 100% mean, and marries him anyway! We aren't as far out of the woods with women's rights as we think we are sometimes. By the way, can you think of any show or movie, or whatever that depicts a mean, ruthless, evil woman who's badness is ignored, then embraced at the end of the show? I can't think of any! The old double standard rears it's ugly head!

Love,
Aquarius

Sure is a double standard!!
It's been over 20 years, but I seem to remember a movie 'Terms of Endearment' with Shirley McClaine and Deborah W in it. The Mother role was pretty Nish and when her daughter got cancer (or some illness killing her), all of a sudden, the mother turned .....NICE and loving?

I remember thinking : yeah, that would NEVER happen in real life. My NM uses her children's illnesses to play "poor me" while she ignores or kicks the ill person.
Apart from that movie I can't think of a single one where the woman is bad and turned good at the end. Bitter maybe, but not N to good.

Hadn't ever thought of 'As good as it gets' in those terms. It was a film I enjoyed, but now you mention it, it is VERY Beauty and the Beast. Pretty much the same plot!! (As are most Holywood romances).
I can think of a few Rom Coms that have both male and female leads being selfish, and becoming nice at the end as they fall in love. But not really any where the woman is the only nasty one turning nice.

Right: double standard for sure! And once again, I am sad for the young kids who drink it in as truth. Probably gets them/us into more trouble than we need, believing the myths around love portrayed in pop culture.

I enjoyed the old films like "all about eve" where the psycho was psycho all the way to the end. That seemed more like reality to me.

it's hard to have people believe the truth that we have been through when all around them is "love will win over all evil" . Nope: run away from it: just like Hansel and Gretel did ! (although didn't their Nparents take them back?, that's not good after abandoning them!)

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Yep, it's weird how we are all so effected by the media!

I hated reading Twilight because Edward is so abusive toward Bella, ie, telling her who she can be friends with. I remember one scene in which Edward was jealous that Bella wanted to visit her friend Jacob, so he took a part out of her car to prevent her from driving there. He stalks her and watches her sleep at night through her window, but the author presents this as okay because Edward is "sexy" and his abusive behavior is only "caring" and "protecting her from danger." Those are the same excuses that Ns and Ps make to their victims.

I teach middle school Language Arts, and most of the students I've had love, love, love the Twilight series! I agree that it sends an undesirable message to young women and men! If my children were that age (they're grown), I would not allow them to read that mess.

I’ve never read or seen Twilight, but the descriptions posted reminded me of a lesser known movie based on the supernatural called The Covenant, about 4 teenage male witches whose world is threatened by an interloper, a fifth witch.

One of the witches, Pogue, is dating normal girl name Kate. In a bar scene the interloper tries to charm Kate. Pogue reacts by taking off his jacket to casually revel his well formed biceps. Interlope shrugs and takes off his jacket too. Later Pogue and Kate have an argument about her being friends with the interloper, Pogue is upset but he never tried to stop or stalk Kate. Eventually the interloper puts both Pogue and Kate in the hospital but that’s besides the point. As cheesy as the movie was I was pleasantly surprised it didn’t take the dangerous romantic lead male route. If anything the message of the movie was DON’T ABUSE YOUR POWER YOU STUPID NINNY, OR ELSE YOU’LL END UP OLD AND ALONE.

LOLOLOL! That was an apt observation! I like your interpretation of the ending! How true, how true!

I just remember funny but accurate portrayals of Ns: the grandmothers in That 70s Show and Malcolm in the Middle.

In That 70s Show, the paternal grandmother is always belittling and putting down her daughter-in-law, Kitty. The husband, Red, is more or less willfully oblivious. But Eric, the grandson, is not and one day confronts his grandmother over her treatment of his mother. The grandmother’s excuse is she is “just telling the truth”. Eric snaps and tells her that she is mean and is alone because nobody can stand there. Immediately the grandmother drops dead.

In Malcolm in the Middle, the maternal grandmother is cruel and void of emotion who drives her daughter, the usually strong and fierce Louis, into a meek passivity in her presence. Louis’ husband tries to stand up to his psycho MIL but usually fails. One day the grandmother is babysitting the youngest grandson, Dewy, when he crossed the street and in front of an oncoming car. The grandmother threw herself in front of the car, saving Dewy but not her leg. Dewy felt awful that the grandmother is now one-legged because of him, but his father assured him that due to his action that led to the grandmother saving him, she now has a minuscule chance to get into heaven.

Robbie William's song, "The Trouble With Me", screams NARCISSIST. What does anyone else think?

You see the trouble with me
I've got a head full of fuck
I'm a basket case
I don't think I can love love love

You see the trouble with you
Is you're in love with me
What a strange thing to do
What a brave place to be

So we die on Sunset Strip
A heart so deep I drown in it
And as it breaks I swim through cracks
And leave with words I can't take back

You see the trouble with me
Monkey see monkey do
There's no you in tomorrow
A better offer came through

You see the trouble with you
There's no trouble with you
So when you say that you love me
That stops me loving you

So she stayed on Sunset Strip
A heart so full I drown in it
She's waiting for my words to break
The one true love I couldn't make
Wo wo wo yeah yeah yeah
Wo wo wo yeah yeah yeah

So she walks that golden mile
Men will try and catch her eye
We both know what could have been
On Sunset Strip a broken dream

Wo wo wo yeah yeah yeah
Wo wo wo yeah yeah yea

Ive often thought his lyrics were very N like! Totally self-absorbed.