Psychopath and Narcissist Survivors Support Group

I came across these other warning signs of a P/S:

Comes from a broken home.
Raised in a low socio-economic setting.
Raised in an urban environment.

I guess the above can be considered risk factors as well.

One other warning sign: holds grudges.

All four fit my P/S to the letter. Father walked out on him when he was a small child; raised by a working mother and had no money growing up; grew up in industrial city with high unemployment. Grudges? His mother and father were terminally and in the hospital at the same time. He never visited his father and even seemed proud he did not. I remember been chilled by this conversation, but instead of being alarmed I felt sorry for him.

Not to be rude, but all of these statements make you sound ignorant and a lot of great people come from these backgrounds. Try and suggest "warning signs" that are a little more relevant to psychopaths/narcissists, like lying and irresponsible.

I agree. This sat wrong with me and I wasn't sure why.

Um, I came from all three.

It could also have socio-economic prejudice undertones. Also racial undertones. "Urban environment?"

blue, you need to read up on the subject! Plenty of psychopaths come from decent environments. Plenty of good people rise up from rough environments. Warning signs are more in the form of consistent behaviors. Maybe you are thinking of a P in your life who has this type of background; not everyone does.

Excuse me if I offended anyone's feelings but I merely posted something I read elsewhere and I was not making a personal statement. Thus, I have been "reading up" on the subject and was struck that in my situation all four of these warning signs existed. To call me "ignorant" is reactionary, emotional and without foundation because if you read any other of my postings you will see that I don't believe in generalizations.

Moreover, I never implied that Psychopaths are limited to such backgrounds, nor did imply any racial bias, as I am not a racist and do not knee-jerk equate "urban" with any race. FYI, my current relationship is with someone with a different ethnic background from myself.

However, since the development of Psychopathy is generally considered to depend upon a combination of both a genetic "disposition" and environmental factors, it should be intuitive that the environment I posted is not going to have a positive impact on an individual genetically disposed to potentially developing psychopathic traits.

Finally, I was adopted at a relatively late age and my family suffered cyclical economic fortunes. In retrospect, while I am not a psychopath, both situations affected my self-esteem and behavior for years.

Windy, I tried to email you about this, but my message was undeliverable.

My apologies then. The source made the ignorant statements, not you. =D

Aquarius123 wrote:Windy, I tried to email you about this, but my message was undeliverable.

Aquarius, try windsongsharmony@gmail.com . . . and just so you know, I'm feelin' it too. You're not alone. :)

Thanks! That time, it appears to have gone through!

Son3 wrote:My apologies then. The source made the ignorant statements, not you. =D

I could not find my exact source. However, a quick Google of the terms psychopath, broken home, urban and low socioeconomic results in tens of thousands of hits. Here are two for you:

"Antisocial behavior ... is associated with low socioeconomic status and urban settings... It is also known as dyssocial personality , psychopathy , or sociopathy..." (Encyclopedia.com)

"Sociopaths are also sometimes known as psychopaths or antisocial personalities... These are: large numbers of siblings, low socio-economic status, urban residency..." (Behavioral and Brain Sciences 18 (3): 523-599.)

To dismiss these risk factors is, quite honestly, ignorant.

Again, I was merely providing some risk factors that while consistent in my case, is not true for all, nor does it imply all those from these enviroments are psycopaths nor does is imply psycopaths are limited to these backgrounds.

Risk factors are they are human beings who look like the normal joe.

Try avoiding one of those and you win a prize. :)

Your posting that an "urban" upbringing is a risk factor and I'm fairly sure you could see how backs would get raised. Blanket statements about a group of people is what is getting you in trouble here - regardless of the source. No one claimed you were a racist or similar - but your terms are offensive to some of us here. That's all. Whether it's your terms... or your sources terms. It's offensive.

Besides. I think Tim McVeigh, John Wayne Gacy, Ted Kazinsky, Charles Manson, Dennis Rader, Scott Peterson, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer and most of the very white middle class killers out there would disagree with your source's statement. Or not. Because they generally know that such blanket generalizations help them kill faster, better, and more covertly...

To dismiss a look at who the most popular serial killers, psychopaths, etc. are would be equally ignorant. So let's just agree to focus on the behaviors and warnings vs. pointing out a group of people who grew up poor in the ghetto. There are a wide range of red flags that have little to do with race, creed or socio-economic status. A WIDE range.

I guess its simply because I am not a racist that I do not equate the term "urban" with "African American". I live in an urban environment and I am not African American. The person I referred to grew up in an urban environment and his home city is 80% white. Again, it is not just one source. I provided three -- do your research and you will find thousands of such references. However, the overriding implied, but unmentioned factor is in reality a stable and supportive family environment or lack thereof.

If I offended anyone, I am sorry. I am also saddened that you now throw in the term "ghetto," a twist of words to underscore something never intended by any source.

Low socio-economic environment combined with urban = ghetto. Pretty easy.

And yes, I grew up in one. I'm proud of where I came from. I guess that's why I recognize the words that are used with underlying statements. Especially given the work I've done with various "at risk" (I hate that word) organizations - it's a term that is thrown around quite often to describe a specific group of people.

Again, watch out for those average Joes too. Suburban life can be just as dangerous IMHO. Sociopaths aren't a huge percentage of the population - but indeed, they are everywhere. They know no racial, socio-economic or location. The behaviors are the focus - not whether they came from a home in an "urban" environment.

To call me "ignorant" is reactionary, emotional and without foundation because if you read any other of my postings you will see that I don't believe in generalizations.

Well Blue, there was the posting that you have recently edited out where you generalised that because your ex was British that might go some way towards his condition? I remember that one quite well.

If you want to quote info out on the net, then the best way is to link to it, then everyone can see what you are talking about.

Noone can generalise with psychopathy. Plus, you will find that members here have more than done their research, thats why they are finding quite alot of holes in yours.