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aphrodite*
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disengaging
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femfree
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Too funny!!! 
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Foglight
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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disengaging
As a struggling Christian I found your link to be insulting and in very poor taste, (Especially as we approach Holy Week and Easter)  . The example and teachings of Jesus Himself was the very antithesis of narcissism, giving His life selflessly for all humanity. He said that we could observe all 10 Commandments if we would only "Love thy neighbor as thyself" (Matthew 5: 43).
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jenrussell2
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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I was having a bad day. I actually got to laughing. Its what we all need. Loved both of them.  Thanks
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snowynight
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| I'll have to ditto that Foglight. Christianity aside, I fail to see the humor. Jesus with the crown of thorns and in a loincloth diaper getting hit by a bus singing "I will survive"? All I can say is HUH? Yes, I'm a strong Christian too, but even if it was Buddha I'd have to still say "HUH?". Then again, I've seen elephant poop portraits of Mary, Christs Mother, regaled as art and exhibited in museums, so who knows in this day and age?
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disengaging
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Foglight wrote: | disengaging
As a struggling Christian I found your link to be insulting and in very poor taste, (Especially as we approach Holy Week and Easter) . The example and teachings of Jesus Himself was the very antithesis of narcissism, giving His life selflessly for all humanity. He said that we could observe all 10 Commandments if we would only "Love thy neighbor as thyself" (Matthew 5: 43). |
I'm sorry, but what's a "struggling" Christian? Is there something about your faith you're struggling with?
I'm a Christian, and have never found there anything in it to "struggle" over. It didn't have anything to do with narcissism--it was just a joke!
I'm also a CPA. Almost every day people send me jokes about accountants, stereotyping those in my profession in almost every imaginable way possible. I find them highly amusing--almost as hysterical as the numerous other jokes people send me about being BLONDE and SHORT! If I took offense, I probably wouldn't be able to get along with anyone, as EVERY SINGLE PERSON in my family does it, along with all my friends, and most of my clients for that matter as well.
No need to quote biblical passages to me--I know the bible inside and out and not only debate the bible on numerous internet forums, but in formal debate settings as well, and can hold my own with pretty much ANY theologian or serious biblical student or professor of just about ANY Christian based faith, as I've studied the doctrines of most-- from Catholicism to Jehovahs Witnesses!
As far as "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself" goes? You may wish to give that passage a little more thought yourself, in particular, to the implication expressed in that passage for devloping the desirable trait of having "tolerance" for others.
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snowynight
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I struggle with Christianity everyday myself. Not because I do not know the legalities and history and scriptual quotes, the cerebral stuff. But because everyday is a struggle to endeavor to be an example of Jesus Christ to people who aren't always deserving of our kindness, empathy, and goodness. No one will ever be like Christ, an example of how to live a perfect life, so if you are human, you will always struggle with what you know in your heart he wants for you to do, despite what our human desires and often stubborn human will want for us to do. It is a heart struggle, a daily attempt to be a better person, to access the holy spirit in our hearts for guidance on the right thing to do in each situation. Hope that brings more clarity for those of us, who, as Christians, struggle.
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disengaging
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| snowynight wrote: | | I struggle with Christianity everyday myself. Not because I do not know the legalities and history and scriptual quotes, the cerebral stuff. But because everyday is a struggle to endeavor to be an example of Jesus Christ to people who aren't always deserving of our kindness, empathy, and goodness. No one will ever be like Christ, an example of how to live a perfect life, so if you are human, you will always struggle with what you know in your heart he wants for you to do, despite what our human desires and often stubborn human will want for us to do. It is a heart struggle, a daily attempt to be a better person, to access the holy spirit in our hearts for guidance on the right thing to do in each situation. Hope that brings more clarity for those of us, who, as Christians, struggle. |
Snowy,
I feel you are trying to speak for ALL Christians and isn't that somewhat presumptuous? First, I was responding to Foglight's post which also made reference to "Holy Week", which is specific to Catholicism, indicating that Foglight is Catholic. If this is true, then the term "struggling christian" also has specific meaning in the Catholic religion, which is based on the works of St. Augustine, and emcompasses a number of other catholic doctrines or beliefs such as "acheiving a state of grace" through the "7 sacraments".
I was attempting diplomatically to assert that although I am Christian, I do not struggle with my faith in that manner because I do not subscribe to the Catholic religion, and although I am familiar with the works of St. Augustine I do not hold them as authoritative anymore than I hold "The Book of Mormon" as being authoritative. I was also stating that I am aware this is a Catholic belief, and find it somewhat misleading to term it as if it was a universal "christian" belief instead.
The link I posted is an obvious parody, which no reasonable person could possibly take seriously. To me it is not offensive because there was no intent to disceive or mislead and could not possibly be taken as anything other than a joke. People poke fun at me, and each other, all the time, and I don't find anything wrong with it as it keeps us from taking ourselves too seriously. Parodies also have a long-standing political and legal tradition in our American history, which I believe is an important part of our heritage.
What I personally find rather offensive to my Christian beliefs at Easter? All those cute little bunnies and brightly colored easter eggs because they are actually based on pagen fertility rites and I consider it sacrilege to incorporate these pagen fertility rites into Christian holidays and ceremonies. Especially since no one ever acknowledges their true origins, and I consider that to be an intentional deceipt as a way to compel Christians, without their knowledge, to worship the ancient Persian and Egyptian Gods this "rite of spring" is based on! The term "easter" in fact is generally acknowledged to come from the name "Eastre", the Teutonic dawn Goddess of Fertility. What ever happened to "thou shalt have no other Gods before me?"
Do you know why we color easter eggs? Supposedly it's because a Roman Emperor was once claimed to have said that he thought the story of the ressurection of Christ happening was about as probable as eggs turning red! So we paint them now--to parody his words!
I don't normally run around berating people about this, nor do I usually feel it's my job to "educate" them either.
To each his own.
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aphrodite*
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| disengaging wrote: | | I consider that to be an intentional deceit as a way to compel Christians, without their knowledge, to worship the ancient Persian and Egyptian Gods this "rite of spring" is based on! . |
 Yes, deceiving people to worship the Egyptian and other false gods is a definite ruse of satanists. No lie.
I try not to get too involved in all kinds of theological stuff. Jesus did not offer a theology in his teachings. That is all man-made. What is important to me, as a Christian, is my personal relationship with Jesus Christ. That gives me plenty to work on.
Anyway-
here are the lyrics to "I will survive"
Gloria Gaynor Lyrics
I Will Survive
First I was afraid
I was petrified
Kept thinking I could never live
without you by my side
But I spent so many nights
thinking how you did me wrong
I grew strong
I learned how to carry on
and so you're back
from outer space
I just walked in to find you here
with that sad look upon your face
I should have changed my stupid lock
I should have made you leave your key
If I had known for just one second
you'd be back to bother me
Go on now go walk out the door
just turn around now
'cause you're not welcome anymore
weren't you the one who tried to hurt me with goodbye
you think I'd crumble
you think I'd lay down and die
Oh no, not I
I will survive
as long as i know how to love
I know I will stay alive
I've got all my life to live
I've got all my love to give
and I'll survive
I will survive
It took all the strength I had
not to fall apart
kept trying hard to mend
the pieces of my broken heart
and I spent oh so many nights
just feeling sorry for myself
I used to cry
Now I hold my head up high
and you see me
somebody new
I'm not that chained up little person
still in love with you
and so you felt like dropping in
and just expect me to be free
now I'm saving all my loving
for someone who's loving me
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onceavictim
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| Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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Lighten up here folks, we need to agree to disagree, some see the humor, some don't. What do they say?.............never discuss politics or religion?
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snowynight
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| Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | quote="disengaging"] snowynight wrote:
I consider that to be an intentional deceit as a way to compel Christians, without their knowledge, to worship the ancient Persian and Egyptian Gods this "rite of spring" is based on! .
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Aphrodite, I am sure this was a typo, but I did not write this, disengaging did. Just wanted to clarify.
As far as lightening up, some things are very sacred to people, and there is nothing wrong with that nor will I allow myself to be influenced otherwise or stay silent because of pressure. It was not my original post, but by posting it, you are setting yourself up for impending disagreement, because Christianity, is, like it or not, very sacred to some people. And what others find sacred about it -- Easter eggs don't bother me in the least, but the video sure does -- is different among Christians apparently. And that is my last word on this subject.
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BloomingintheSON
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| Quote: | | 'First, I was responding to Foglight's post which also made reference to "Holy Week", which is specific to Catholicism, indicating that Foglight is Catholic. ... I was also stating that I am aware this is a Catholic belief, and find it somewhat misleading to term it as if it was a universal "christian" belief instead. "] |
Disengaging -- HUH? I am a life-long Christian (multi-denominational background) and in my 70 years, I have always heard the term "Holy Week" by all of the Christians I know, catholic or otherwise. Even my Moslem "son" refers to "Holy Week."
Did you perhaps make an presumption about Foglight's beliefs? No biggie. No one is perfect and knows everything -- except Ns, unfortunately. LOL!
For the record, I did not view your "joke" after assuming from the posts what it entailed. Please don't be offended by my OWN choice to protect myself from personally offensive "jokes." My 46 year association with my EX's put-down, sarcastic "humor" has made me very cautious of what I allow into my eyes and ears.
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BloomingintheSON
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Aphrodite,
I just finished listening to and laughing (needed relief) about your post of "I Will Survive" video. including the burmuda shorts and long black knee highs.
As a musician myself, I was most impressed with the talent these two men displayed. But, I have been missing the humor of the equally talented Victor Borge. It occurred to me that these two men combined make up a new "Victor Borge." Thanks for posting this for our benefit.
In case you all are too young to even have heard of Victor, and you want some more good laughs, I suggest you find some of his old videos (I hope they exist.)
I have loved the lyrics of "I Will Survive" since I first heard them. I imagine all of us "survivors" have made it our "theme song."
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aphrodite*
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| Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| snowynight wrote: | | Quote: | quote="disengaging"] snowynight wrote:
I consider that to be an intentional deceit as a way to compel Christians, without their knowledge, to worship the ancient Persian and Egyptian Gods this "rite of spring" is based on! .
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Aphrodite, I am sure this was a typo, but I did not write this, disengaging did. Just wanted to clarify.
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Hi Snowy- yes, it was a typo-your name got caught up in the quote but it was disengaging that wrote the quote. Sorry. 
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